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• Kathleen DeLaski shares her interesting background
• Kathleen tells us what the Educational Design Lab is and what they do
• Kathleen tells us why she wrote her book, and she opens up and share things about her kids
• I introduce Kathleen’s book, “Who Needs College Anymore.”
• Kathleen answers the question, why should our listeners, who love college, listen to an author who wrote a book titled, “Who Needs College Anymore.”
• Kathleen tells us some of the careers that require college
• Kathleen shares some statistics on the percentage of people who do not have a degree
• Kathleen talks about the Wall Street Journal study that asks students if they think college is worth it
• Kathleen begins the conversation on factors that serve as accelerants to make a college degree not as essential as it used to be for some jobs
• Kathleen talks about an experience she had that made her realize just how stressful the college admissions process has become
• Kathleen talks about the 150 interviews she did with a wide range of people to prepare before she wrote the book
• Kathleen talks about the growth of skills-based hiring instead of degree-based hiring
• Kathleen talks about the four types of people who need college
• Kathleen talks about the difference between micro-credentials and micro pathways
• Kathleen talks about the growth of certificates
• Kathleen talks about the fields that are being disrupted the most by alternative pathways to college
• Kathleen shares some great opportunities for students w/o a degree
• Kathleen talks about apprenticeship degree programs
• Kathleen and I discuss the correlation between parent involvement and high achievement
• Kathleen tells our listeners what the Year Up program is
• Kathleen tells us what a skills genome is
• Kathleen tells us what the badging movement is
• Kathleen talks about what she calls the edu-training ecosystem
• Kathleen says colleges need to be reimagined, and she explains what she calls “the great college reset.”
• Kathleen talks about students are strategically using Coursera to hack their way to a good job
• Kathleen explains what she means when she says, “We need to fix and disrupt” college education
• Kathleen gives an example of who she feels has done a good job of fixing and disrupting
• Kathleen shares how the educational Design lab she started is now working with 100 community colleges on innovative projects
• Kathleen talked to us about the Who Needs College Anymore discussion guides
• Kathleen goes on the hot seat in our lightning-round

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